2009
12.08

So while browsing my discussion board in class I came across this and I thought I’d share it…

Ok I’m not a Darwinist first of I have to say that. I take bio because I think I might be interested in it. Ill admit macro evolution is an interesting theory, but I do not find much sound fact in it. #1 your evidence mostly is DNA similarity, fossils, the life experiment with the RNA assembling together out of used to be believed atmospherics conditions, the micro evolution factor, and I think that sums it up, and if it does it’s not very much. So ye why do you believe in it. With the law of enthalpy, and the very complexity of are body’s. Lets not go the cell level they are at least as complex as us. Just the odds of it happening I mean 10 to the 300,000 power just for plant life. That’s not including the earth being created or something coming form nothing. So ye for those of you out there that don’t know I think the odds of scientific improbability are 10 to the 40,000. Mostly I just think the fact evolution is around is because of peoples reluctance to admit god. As for the saying what did the bible do for us. Well it taught us about see currents no serous the person that found see currents I heard found them because he said the bible said there are path ways in the sea I shall find them. Told the Israelite common practices that we would not discover till the 1800′s like washing you hands. Isolation circumcision, and even on the day when the baby’s blood clots best allowing so the best time to do it to. Ever read 100 scientific facts of the bible it’s a short book very interesting. Just remember also everything in old testament can be dated back to the dead sea scrolls some possibly even further to be what it is today. Also the bible has never been disproved archeologically. All the evolutionary gems you have to the best of my knowledge are micro evolution something you really don’t hear specified in class. Micro evolution is stuff like the peppered moth’s change in color and the gardener snakes gradual immunity to the newts poison. So ye we don’t even know half of how the brain works I mean seriously that thing in it’s self is immensely complex the way are blood clots and even are eyes are immensely complex. Every thing is extermaly complex. If evlotion is true then why do things like fish go together and form a more complex orginisem? Just a question. I mean sure you can create a nuclues, but can you go and give it life. There arn’t even enough transitional fossils in the ground to support your theory. Then what about fossil lake how that layers could have been piled up like that from just one volcano explosion in a few hours? I don’t know to me evolutions evidence seems to dicey and I find it a lot easier to believe that an all powerfully benevolent being created us then the fact that we evolved. Besides the bible hasn’t been disproved yet. Did you know some of the lord of the rings music is actually Celtic. Sorry just listing to Celtic Myst top 100 on the mp3 player and hearing the main theme of lord of the rings. I like this saying sunset god’s way of reminding us he’s there. I guess when I lay my chips down it ultimately comes to this which theory is the most sound and looks the best. Although we can not prove god and probably will never be able to on or own it’s the one that the stuff it tells hasn’t been disproved, and sounds sound to me.

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  1. Why would you post this? I was having a good day…

  2. I might miss several points made in the comment since my brain hurt too terribly much trying to parse it. So take this as a response to high level points noticed when parsing.

    First, random caveats – I am not a biologists, but simply a well informed indivual who is married to one.

    And a minor quibble – there is no such thing as a Darwinist any more than there are Newtonists, Einsteinists, Rutherfordists, etc. People who accept evolution are not part of a religion, but rather subscribe to the notion of adopting the most plausible explination given current understanding, which in the case of biological life is evolution.

    The author has several failed conceptions that they base their criticism of. Foremost is the distinction between micro and macro evolution. That distinction is NOT part of the scientific literature and wholy a creationist construct. In truth there are only micro changes, which compounded over time can create large changes. The clear evolution of lvertabrate imbs shows this – the ponderous changes of fins slowly developing additional joints, elongating, forming additional joints, building mass, etc over the course of millions of years. Ultimately the problem with those who don’t see how major traits can develop is their inability to grasp the sheer scale of time and how minute changes aggrogated over such vast stretches of time naturally sum to major changes.

    Bringing up odds is also a failed conception – it predesposes an intended end when evolution does not have one. The odds specifically that humans would evolve is slim, but the odds of *something* evolving is an all together more promising probability, and one that has fortunately resulted in us. The concept also predisposes that evolution is simply chance – while the specific mutation, the changes in DNA and how that is expressed, is a degree of chance, it being replicated to future generations is NOT chance. Evolution is all about the rules of selection that remove chance from the equation of whether a mutation from being inherited (well, mostly – nature is a chaotic system in which we have not been able to account for all variables).

    The screeds about the “truth” in the bible are pretty random and unsupported, and also belay a lack of understanding in the scientific process. For example “Also the bible has never been disproved archeologically” is pretty far off the mark – outside of straight up mathmatics you can’t prove a negative (the real weakness I have with Myth Busters). Even if one is predisposed to believe a literal interpretation of the bible contrary to all evidence, one has to accept its general incompleteness (for example a lack of details about the origins of early generations – Adam and Eve have Cain and Abel, but to get a third generation we need to fill in some XX chromosome gaps missing here) which makes it of questionable utility. When one looks into the actual history of the formation of the christian bible (the incredibly cynical approach that Constantine took to cherry pick ideas that cemented central power, while destroying gnostic ideas that challenged central power. The translation and scribing discrepencies that are endemic to the book and well documented. etc) its reliability is further questionable. Finally there is the mountain of evidence from practically every side of science, from astrophysics to geology to biology, that challenge the literal interpretation of the bible. The presence of fault lines, the formation of elements, the helocentric view of the solar system – practically everything in reality contradicts biblical explinations; it isn’t just evolution.

    Science certainly doesn’t have all of the answers, otherwise to quote an irish comedian, “it would stop”. However the absence of explinations for certain things at this period of time does not invalidate all other explinations, nor does it imply that the bible is true. For that to be an acceptable explination it is not sufficient to invalidate specific theory, but rather to prove the merits of the competing idea. Theories, like organisms, are subject to the survival of the fittest, of gradual change over time,.

    Also, every fossil is a transitional fossil – true transition happens on a very hard to observe scale.

  3. thank you josh, your stance is very well written, this post made my mind hurt with the jumping around about Dead Sea Scrolls, and Micro evolution, and let’s not forget Lord of the Rings.

  4. I’m sorry, I just got past the first few sentances and had to laugh. I saw the equivalent of “Ok, so I don’t understand why people belive in GRAVITY. So you got the fact that THINGS FALL DOWN when you drop them and how the earth goes around the sun… that just doesn’t cut it for me. I don’t understand why people just don’t realize that GOD moves it all from the evidence.”

    Yes, it was THAT retarded.

    Thanks for posting. I needed a laugh.

  5. Wow, talk about a stream of consciousness. Who ever it is would benefit greatly from Dr. Messina’s Biology 1620 lecture, which he’s stopped teaching. Microevolution carries into macroevolution if you take it enough generations out. I think that we must view everything we think we know with some skepticism, but for real justifiable reasons, not because I don’t understand the theory I’m arguing against.

  6. I believe in micro-walking, like going down to the store or maybe even across town. But there’s no way macro-walking is even possible. No one could ever walk across a continent with nothing but their feet.

    • That’s why God invented cars, duh! :D Cars “prove” macro-walking is just a myth! lol

    • But why didn’t God bail out GM?